Seed Team Conf 1st-round match up
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#1 Butler 14-2 Double-bye
#2 Wright St. 12-4 Double-bye
Can get #1 by winning out
#3 CSU 11-6 Would host Detroit
Needs help to get #2
#4 UIC 8-8 Would host YSU
Can get #4 by winning out
or sweeping Milwaukee
#5 Milwaukee 8-8 Would host Loyola
Can get #4 by winning out
or splitting with UIC
#6 Valparaiso 7-9 Would host Green Bay
Can get at least #5 by winning out
#7 Green Bay 7-9 Can get at least #6 by winning out
#8 Loyola 6-10 Needs help to get #6 or #7,
can go no higher
#9 YSU 5-12 Needs help to get #8,
can go no higher
#10 Detroit 3-13 Clinched #10
See Men's seed race 2/26/2008 for Part 1, where Wright State and CSU end up tied at 12-6.
Part 2 deals with the case where Wright State and Butler end up tied at 14-4.
First of all, Wright State would have swept Butler and therefore achieve the #1 seed via head-to-head tiebreaker. This would give Butler the 2 seed, and CSU the 3 seed.
It also implies that Valpo is either 8-10 or 7-11.
Detroit still has the 10 seed clinched. In fact, this is true no matter what scenario takes place. However, in this particular scenario it is not immediately clear whether YSU will be the 9th seed or the 8th seed.
But we will table that quandary for now because if there are other ties higher up, they would take precedence anyway.
I'm going to use the same structure as in Part 1.
4th place could be 10-8 or 9-9, but no worse, because UIC and
Milwaukee play each other (they can't both finish 8-10).
1. 4th place is 10-8 -- either UIC or Milwaukee, who play each
other on Saturday.
a. UIC is 10-8 and gets the 4 seed.
They do this by beating both Milwaukee and Green Bay.
1. 5th place is 9-9 -- this would be Milwaukee
Only Milwaukee can finish 9-9 at this point, by
beating Loyola. Green Bay will have lost to UIC
and can only win 8 at the most. Valpo in this
scenario loses to Wright State and can also win no
more than 8.
a. 6th place is 8-10 -- Valpo and Green Bay are
the only teams at this point who can finish
8-10. Loyola can't win 8 because they will
have lost to Milwaukee. Valpo does it by
beating Detroit. Green Bay does it by beating
Loyola.
1. Both finish 8-10
Valpo and Green Bay split. They would
have both split with #1 Wright State.
They both have been swept by #2 Butler.
Green Bay split with #3 CSU while Valpo
was swept by them, so Green Bay gets the 6
seed and Valpo the 7.
With Loyola losing both remaining games,
they finish 6-12.
a. YSU beats CSU to also finish 6-12
YSU split with Loyola. Both were
swept by #1 Wright State and #2 Butler.
Both would have split with #3 CSU.
#4 UIC swept Loyola, but split with
YSU, So YSU gets the 8 seed and Loyola
the 9.
b. YSU loses to CSU to finish 5-13
Loyola gets the 8 seed and YSU gets
the 9 seed.
2. Valpo finishes 8-10 and Green Bay 7-11
Valpo gets the 6 seed.
Green Bay will have lost to Loyola and so
they both would be 7-11. They would have
split with each other. However, Green
Bay split with #1 Wright State while
Loyola was swept by them, so Green Bay
gets the 7 seed, Loyola the 8 seed, and
YSU the 9 seed (6-12).
3. Green Bay finishes 8-10 and Valpo 7-11
Green Bay gets the 6 seed. Valpo ties
with Loyola at 7-11, and since Loyola
swept Valpo, Loyola gets the 7 seed,
Valpo the 8 seed, and YSU the 9 seed.
b. 6th place is 7-11
Valpo finishes 7-11 by losing to Detroit.
Green Bay finishes 7-11 by losing to Loyola.
Loyola finishes 7-11 because they would lose
to Milwaukee.
Valpo is 1-3, Green Bay is 2-2, and Loyola
3-1 in the round-robin head-to-head, so
Loyola gets the 6 seed, Green Bay the 7 seed,
Valpo the 8 seed, and YSU the 9 seed.
2. 5th place is 8-10 -- this must include Milwaukee.
Valpo can also finish 8-10 by beating Detroit.
Green Bay can also finish 8-10 by beating Loyola,
while Loyola can finish 8-10 by beating Green Bay
(they will have also beaten Milwaukee).
a. Milwaukee and Green Bay finish 8-10, while
Valpo finishes 7-11
Milwaukee swept Green Bay, so Milwaukee gets
the 5 seed and Green Bay gets the 6 seed.
Loyola also finishes 7-11 and they swept
Valpo so they get the 7 seed, Valpo the 8
seed, and YSU the 9 seed.
b. Milwaukee, Green Bay, and Valpo finish 8-10
Milwaukee is 3-1, Valpo 2-2, and Green Bay
1-3 in the round-robin head-to-head, so
Milwaukee gets the 5 seed, Valpo the 6 seed,
and Green Bay the 7 seed.
c. Milwaukee and Loyola finish 8-10, while Valpo
finishes 7-11
Loyola would have swept Milwaukee, so Loyola
get the 5 seed and Milwaukee the 6 seed.
Valpo and Green Bay tie at 7-11. They split
with each other. They both will have split
with #1 Wright State. They both were swept
by #2 Butler. Green Bay split with #3 CSU,
but Valpo was swept by them, so Green Bay
gets the 7 seed, Valpo the 8 seed, and YSU
the 9 seed.
d. Milwaukee, Loyola, and Valpo finish 8-10
Milwaukee will be 1-3, Valpo 1-3, and Loyola
4-0 in the round-robin head-to-head, so
Loyola gets the 5 seed. Milwaukee split
with Valpo. They both will have split with
#1 Wright State. They both were swept by #2
Butler. Milwaukee split with #3 CSU, but
Valpo was swept by them, so Milwaukee gets
the 6 seed, Valpo the 7 seed, Green Bay the
8 seed, and YSU the 9 seed.
b. Milwaukee is 10-8 and gets the 4 seed.
They do this by beating both UIC and Loyola.
1. 5th place is 9-9
a. UIC beats Green Bay
Only UIC is 9-9 and gets the 5 seed. Green
Bay is 8-10 by beating Loyola or 7-11 by
losing to Loyola. Valpo is 8-10 by beating
Detroit or 7-11 by losing to Detroit.
1. Both finish 8-10, which means Loyola is
6-12
Once again, CSU breaks the tie in favor
of Green Bay who gets the 6 seed, Valpo
the 7 seed.
a. YSU beats CSU to also finish 6-12
Again, YSU and Loyola split with
each other, they were both swept by
#1 Wright State and #2 Butler, they
both will have split with #3 CSU,
but while Loyola will have split
with #4 Milwaukee, YSU was swept by
them, so Loyola gets the 8 seed and
YSU the 9th seed.
b. YSU loses to CSU and finishes 5-13
Loyola gets the 8 seed and YSU gets
the 9th seed.
2. Valpo finishes 8-10, Green Bay and
Loyola finish 7-11
Valpo gets the 6 seed.
Green Bay will have split with Loyola,
so Wright State breaks the tie in favor
of Green Bay who split with them while
Loyola was swept, so Green Bay gets the
7 seed, Loyola the 8 seed, and YSU the
9 seed.
3. Green Bay finishes 8-10, Valpo 7-11,
and Loyola 6-12 (they also lose to
Green Bay)
Green Bay gets the 6 seed and Valpo the
7 seed. As shown above, Loyola wins
the tie breaker with YSU in either
event, so they get the 8 seed and YSU
the 9 seed.
4. Both finish 7-11, which means Loyola is
8-10.
Loyola gets the 6 seed. Once again,
Green Bay wins the tiebreaker over
Valpo via CSU and gets the 7 seed,
Valpo the 8 seed, and YSU the 9 seed.
b. Green Bay beats UIC
UIC would be 8-10 for sure. Valpo could be
8-10 by beating Detroit. Green Bay could be
9-9 by also beating Loyola, otherwise they
would be 8-10.
1. Green Bay beats Loyola to finish 9-9
Green Bay gets the 5 seed.
a. Valpo and UIC finish 8-10
They split, but UIC was swept by #1
Wright State while Valpo split with
them. Valpo gets the 6 seed, Green
Bay the 7 seed. Once again, Loyola
at 6-12 wins the tiebreaker with YSU
to get the 8 seed with YSU at the 9
seed.
b. UIC finishes 8-10, Valpo 7-11
UIC gets the 6 seed, Valpo the 7
seed, and again, Loyola 8 seed, YSU
the 9 seed.
2. Green Bay loses to Loyola to finish 8-10
a. Valpo loses to Detroit
Green Bay and UIC tie at 8-10. They
will have split with each other, but
Green Bay split with #1 Wright State
while UIC was swept by them, so Green
Bay gets the 5 seed and UIC the 6
seed. Loyola wins the tiebreaker with
Valpo (7-11) because they swept them,
so Loyola gets the 7 seed, Valpo the 8
seed, and YSU the 9 seed.
b. Valpo beats Detroit
Green Bay, UIC, and Valpo tie at 8-10.
Green Bay is 2-2, UIC 2-2, and Valpo
2-2 in the round-robin head-to-head.
Green Bay and Valpo split with #1
Wright State while UIC was swept by
them, so UIC drops out and gets the 7
seed. Meanwhile, Valpo and Green Bay
were both swept by #2 Butler, but
Green Bay split with #3 CSU while Valpo
was swept by them, so Green Bay gets
the 5 seed, Valpo the 6 seed, Loyola
the 8 seed, and YSU the 9 seed.
2. 4th place is 9-9
Green Bay can finish 9-9 by beating both UIC and Loyola.
UIC can finish 9-9 by splitting with Milwaukee and Green
Bay. Milwaukee can finish 9-9 by splitting with UIC and
Loyola. Either UIC or Milwaukee must finish 9-9 since they
play each other.
a. Green Bay and Milwaukee finish 9-9, UIC 8-10 (losing to
both Green Bay and Milwaukee), Loyola finishes 7-11
(beating Milwaukee but losing to Green Bay)
Milwaukee swept Green Bay, so Milwaukee gets the 4 seed
and Green Bay the 5 seed.
1. Valpo beats Detroit to tie UIC at 8-10
As shown before, #3 CSU breaks this tie in favor of
UIC, so UIC gets the 6 seed, Valpo the 7 seed,
Loyola the 8 seed, and YSU the 9 seed.
2. Valpo loses to Detroit to tie Loyola at 7-11
UIC gets the 6 seed. Loyola wins the tiebreaker
with Valpo to get the 7 seed, Valpo the 8 seed, and
YSU the 9 seed.
b. Green Bay and UIC finish 9-9, Milwaukee 8-10 (losing to
both Loyola and UIC), Loyola 7-11
Green Bay wins the tiebreaker because of Wright State
who they split with while UIC was swept by them. Green
Bay gets the 4 seed, UIC the 5 seed.
1. Valpo beats Detroit to tie Milwaukee at 8-10
CSU breaks this tie in favor of Milwaukee who split
with them while Valpo was swept by them, so
Milwaukee gets the 6 seed, Valpo the 7 seed, Loyola
the 8 seed, and YSU the 9 seed.
2. Valpo loses to Detroit to tie Loyola at 7-11
Milwaukee gets the 6 seed, Loyola the 7 seed (as
shown above), Valpo the 8 seed, YSU the 9 seed.
c. UIC finishes 9-9, Milwaukee and Green Bay 8-10
UIC gets the 4 seed.
UIC beats Milwaukee, therefore must lose to Green Bay,
so Green Bay must finish 8-10 by losing to Loyola.
Milwaukee also loses to Loyola, so Loyola must finish
8-10 as well.
1. Valpo beats Detroit to join a 4-way tie at 8-10
Milwaukee is 3-3, Green Bay 2-4, Valpo 2-4, and
Loyola 5-1 in the round-robin head to head, giving
Loyola the 5 seed and Milwaukee the 6 seed. As
shown above, CSU breaks the remaining tie in favor
of Green Bay, who gets the 7 seed. Valpo gets the
8 seed and YSU gets the 9 seed.
2. Valpo loses to Detroit
Milwaukee is 2-2, Green Bay 1-3, and Loyola 3-1 in
the round-robin head-to-head, so Loyola gets the 5
seed, Milwaukee the 6 seed, Green Bay the 7 seed,
Valpo the 8 seed, and YSU the 9 seed.
d. Milwaukee finishes 9-9, UIC and Green Bay 8-10
Milwaukee gets the 4 seed.
UIC loses to both Milwaukee and Green Bay, so Green
Bay must also finish 8-10. Milwaukee must lose to
Loyola, and so must Green Bay, so Loyola must also
finish 8-10.
1. Valpo beats Detroit to join the 4-way tie at 8-10
Loyola is 3-3, UIC 4-2, Green Bay 3-3, Valpo 2-4 in
the round-robin head-to-head, so UIC gets the 5
seed and Valpo the 8 seed. Since Green Bay split
with #1 Wright State while Loyola was swept by them,
Green Bay gets the 6 seed, Loyola the 7 seed. YSU
gets the 9 seed.
2. Valpo loses to Detroit
Loyola is 1-3, UIC 3-1, Green Bay 2-2 in the round-
robin head-to-head, so UIC gets the 5 seed, Green
Bay the 6 seed, Loyola the 7 seed, Valpo the 8 seed,
and YSU the 9 seed.
Stay tuned for Part 3 (and hopefully the final part): "Wright State finishes 2nd"
Thanks to WAJC69 from the Butler board for providing the Official Tie Breaker Rules
Thanks to uwmfansince1997 from the Milwaukee board for providing a link to the Horizon League's official "Track the Bracket" page.
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